More on Feminist Stuff

A friend of mine, who goes by the nick "Serrevin" in the IRC chat channel I go to, had a discussion with me about my writing on Egalitarianism, and it was a good one. Here it is:

[20:44] (machaira) Evin, could you please look this over and see if I made any misakes in my argumentation?
[20:44] (machaira) *mistakes
[20:44] (serrevin) yeah
[20:44] (serrevin) let me see it
[20:44] (machaira) http://machairaina.blogspot.com/
[20:45] (machaira) Latest entry
[20:45] (serrevin) what are you dealing with?
[20:45] (machaira) Feminism
[20:46] (serrevin) k
[20:47] (serrevin) what's the title?
[20:47] (machaira) "Egalitarianism...Yeahright"
[20:47] (serrevin) k
[20:52] (serrevin) I think it was pretty cogent
[20:52] (machaira) Oh?
[20:53] (serrevin) i'm a bit more sensitive to the feminists but the argument definately makes sense
[20:53] (serrevin) did you have any reservations about it?
[20:53] (machaira) Well, I thought my argument was lacking somewhere. Especially when I touched on media.
[20:53] (serrevin) how so?
[20:54] (machaira) They could claim that "Well, the commercial pushed you to want it!"
[20:55] (serrevin) it's very hard to argue with modern liberals
[20:55] (machaira) I thought in response, "Unless the female had any perceived need prior to the viewing of the advertisement, she wouldn't bite the hook."
[20:56] (serrevin) would we be able to sell a product in masse to women that helps them grow facial hair?
[20:56] (machaira) Would they even want that?
[20:57] (serrevin) of course not
[20:57] (machaira) Good point.
[20:57] (serrevin) there has to be a previous dispostion toward a percieved need/want in order for a commercial to work
[20:57] (serrevin) all the commercials do is simply embellish the need/want
[20:57] (machaira) Yes...ads don't give us desires. They just play on existing ones and direct them to the particular product/service offered.
[20:57] (machaira) Yep.
[20:58] (serrevin) well there you go
[20:58] (serrevin) hahah you can use the "facial hair" thingie if you like
[20:58] (serrevin) but yeah dude, it seemed pretty tight to me
[20:58] (machaira) Thanks.
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[20:59] (serrevin) i've always complained about the confusion of "feminism"
[20:59] (serrevin) you know they want equal rights
[20:59] (serrevin) but when the titanic is goin down they expect us to give them the last lifeboat
[20:59] (machaira) And to heck with us?
[21:00] (serrevin) well that's the thing
[21:00] (serrevin) was leo supposed to punch her out, and fight for his life like the men were doing with each other
[21:00] (serrevin) what would the reaction have been?
[21:00] (machaira) So much for equality
[21:01] (serrevin) you know they would have decried it as violence toward women... blah blah blah
[21:01] (machaira) Yup, equal treatment.
[21:01] (machaira) Hey, we treat each other this way, and since you wanted things THAT way...well...
[21:01] (serrevin) feminism saddens me tell you the truth
[21:01] (machaira) *Shoryuken!*
[21:01] (serrevin) hahahaha
[21:01] (serrevin) hahahah
[21:01] (serrevin) that was classic bro
[21:01] (serrevin) i'm gonna steal that
[21:01] (machaira) LOL
[21:02] (serrevin) all they want is to be treated the way we're supposed to treat them
[21:02] (serrevin) but they're too proud to say so
[21:02] (serrevin) look how this culture treats them
[21:02] (machaira) Good words, man.
[21:02] (machaira) Go on
[21:02] (serrevin) what is an artist like britney spears saying to them
[21:02] (serrevin) " we don't really care about your talent, just take your clothes off"
[21:03] (machaira) Uhh..."We're open season?"
[21:03] (serrevin) commercials are the same
[21:03] (serrevin) we've got women taking their clothes off to sell everything
[21:03] (serrevin) and let's not even get into the porn issue
[21:04] (serrevin) so our culture has stripped them of dignity
[21:04] (machaira) (Which quite a number of radical feminists themselves endorse)
[21:04] (machaira) (porn, that is)
[21:04] (serrevin) true
[21:04] (machaira) Go on
[21:04] (serrevin) I think the "revenge" comment about feminism is correct
[21:05] (serrevin) but I also think it's the wordling's way of trying to get some dignity back
[21:05] (serrevin) they percieve men as the one with the power, and they want to be in that position because they're tired of being degraded
[21:05] (serrevin) hence the scream for "equality"
[21:05] (serrevin) but at the same time they want to be treated as the "weaker vessel"
[21:05] (machaira) "Oh look at them, they're better than us"
[21:05] (serrevin) which leads to the whole titanic situation
[21:06] (serrevin) there aren't many women running the porn industry, or the music industry, or the commercials that exploit them
[21:08] (serrevin) men have dropped the ball in this culture, look at the plague of the single mother for example
[21:09] (machaira) They want to be treated the same as men, but when the boat finally starts to sink they pressure us to treat them as the "weaker sex" instead of knocking them out with flash kicks like we're doing to each other.
[21:09] (machaira) True. If one party fails to do his responsibility, a domino effect follows.
[21:10] (serrevin) I think all the posturing for equality is a cry for dignity, a dignity that men have stripped them of
[21:10] (serrevin) think for a moment
[21:10] (serrevin) what is the reprobate mind of man going to do, seeing as God has given him headship?
[21:10] (machaira) Heh...plain and simple
[21:10] (machaira) Aggressive control
[21:10] (serrevin) exactly
[21:10] (serrevin) and how is the reprobate mind of woman going to respond to that?
[21:11] (machaira) "...your desire shall be over him..."
[21:11] (serrevin) "the message" translation would be "feminism"
[21:12] (serrevin) on the one hand they want the dignity that reprobate men have stripped them of, while at the same hand, they remember that they are supposed to be treated as queens, and they want that too
[21:12] (serrevin) that's why it's so amazing to see the way the lord dealt with women
[21:13] (machaira) The woman at the well, the woman caught in adultery...
[21:13] (serrevin) exactly
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[21:14] (serrevin) and they responded to it
[21:14] (serrevin) my wife was a rabid feminist when I first met her
[21:14] (serrevin) and she's totally adopted a biblical position on the issue now

Also, irRational not only pointed out a misused word in the same article ("pimps" instead of "prostitutes") but also said something that I can't help but quote here:

[23:54] (irr2lurk) one thing that makes me angry is that feminists say i can do anything i want to do
[23:54] (irr2lurk) except that which i really want to do
[23:55] (irr2lurk) be a full time wife and mommy

Feminism is another thing that has affected me adversely, and I would like to write about it a bit more. Perhaps, God willing, I shall add it to my not-so-compiled writings on the Fall of Man and how it has affected every single aspect of life in the material and spiritual universe. Who knows, maybe it'll get to be a book someday...huh-huh-huh. ;-)